Ticket #3 during 250115 on Terry

iain0 *BWOINK* flapjackshrek 2025-03-11 21:47:55

hi there, can you tell me why you applied lethal force to Jazmin Malcovich please?

00:00:36

Reply from flapjackshrek 2025-03-11 21:48:31

they tackled me and I was getting annoyed so I batong them

00:02:24

Reply from iain0 2025-03-11 21:50:55

from security policy

1. Rule 1 of the main rules applies to security.
The only exception is that security is generally considered to be armed with non-lethal methods to control a situation. Therefore, where reasonably possible, security is expected to use non-lethal methods first in a conflict before escalating to lethal methods.

you should not be using lethal force without a very good reason, and by very good this usually means a risk of lethal harm to yourself, someone with a gun, a hulk that cant be stunned, etc. doesn't seem to apply here?

00:01:13

Reply from flapjackshrek 2025-03-11 21:52:08

I don't consider a few harmbatongs for assaulting an officer to be lethal force.

00:00:33

Reply from iain0 2025-03-11 21:52:41

lethal force means force that applies non temporary damage typically, i.e. force that could be leveraged to lethal effect, versus disablers and stun batons

00:00:58

Reply from flapjackshrek 2025-03-11 21:53:39

Is this what the server deems or are you saying that less than lethal force doesn't exist?

00:00:34

Reply from iain0 2025-03-11 21:54:13

this is as far as i understand it the rules, and thus why your standard loadout is STUN baton and DISABLER not gun

00:00:59

Reply from flapjackshrek 2025-03-11 21:55:12

just perma ban me if I can't harm batong a resisting criminal as a secoff tbh

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Interaction by iain0 2025-03-11 21:56:17

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Reply from iain0 2025-03-11 21:56:29

i'm not going to do that, but you can request a voluntary permaban if you like

00:00:31

Reply from flapjackshrek 2025-03-11 21:57:00

I didn't do anything wrong so I'm not requesting a permaban.

00:00:47

Reply from iain0 2025-03-11 21:57:47

and you didn't do enough wrong for me to permaban you, so not sure why you asked for one. will ask you to stick to security policy as discussed in future, and perhaps brush up on it at the wiki (currently at https://paradisestation.org/tgwiki2/index.php?title=Rules)

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Reply from flapjackshrek 2025-03-11 21:59:18

Ok. I will continue to harmbatong people who resist arrest though.

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Reply from flapjackshrek 2025-03-11 21:59:18

Ok. I will continue to harmbatong people who resist arrest though.

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[b]From Ticket #3 during round [url=https://statbus.space/round/250115]250115[/url] on terry:[/b]

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2025-03-11 21:47:55: [color=#FF0000]Ticket Opened by iain0: hi there, can you tell me why you applied lethal force to Jazmin Malcovich please?[/color]
2025-03-11 21:48:31: [color=#0000FF]Reply from flapjackshrek: they tackled me and I was getting annoyed so I batong them[/color]
2025-03-11 21:50:55: [color=#FF0000]Reply from iain0: from security policy 
 
1. Rule 1 of the main rules applies to security. 
The only exception is that security is generally considered to be armed with non-lethal methods to control a situation. Therefore, where reasonably possible, security is expected to use non-lethal methods first in a conflict before escalating to lethal methods. 
 
you should not be using lethal force without a very good reason, and by very good this usually means a risk of lethal harm to yourself, someone with a gun, a hulk that cant be stunned, etc. doesn't seem to apply here?[/color]
2025-03-11 21:52:08: [color=#0000FF]Reply from flapjackshrek: I don't consider a few harmbatongs for assaulting an officer to be lethal force.[/color]
2025-03-11 21:52:41: [color=#FF0000]Reply from iain0: lethal force means force that applies non temporary damage typically, i.e. force that could be leveraged to lethal effect, versus disablers and stun batons[/color]
2025-03-11 21:53:39: [color=#0000FF]Reply from flapjackshrek: Is this what the server deems or are you saying that less than lethal force doesn't exist?[/color]
2025-03-11 21:54:13: [color=#FF0000]Reply from iain0: this is as far as i understand it the rules, and thus why your standard loadout is STUN baton and DISABLER not gun[/color]
2025-03-11 21:55:12: [color=#0000FF]Reply from flapjackshrek: just perma ban me if I can't harm batong a resisting criminal as a secoff tbh[/color]
2025-03-11 21:56:17: [The contents of this message are unavailable]
2025-03-11 21:56:29: [color=#FF0000]Reply from iain0: i'm not going to do that, but you can request a voluntary permaban if you like[/color]
2025-03-11 21:57:00: [color=#0000FF]Reply from flapjackshrek: I didn't do anything wrong so I'm not requesting a permaban.[/color]
2025-03-11 21:57:47: [color=#FF0000]Reply from iain0: and you didn't do enough wrong for me to permaban you, so not sure why you asked for one. will ask you to stick to security policy as discussed in future, and perhaps brush up on it at the wiki (currently at <a href="https://paradisestation.org/tgwiki2/index.php?title=Rules" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">https://paradisestation.org/tgwiki2/index.php?title=Rules</a>)[/color]
2025-03-11 21:59:18: [color=#0000FF]Reply from flapjackshrek: Ok. I will continue to harmbatong people who resist arrest though.[/color]
2025-03-11 21:59:18: [color=#0000FF]Reply from flapjackshrek: Ok. I will continue to harmbatong people who resist arrest though.[/color]
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